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Read Me Instructions and FAQ Locked Topic 0 M. Randall Forum Etiquette This NFH Community Forum (Ask the Community) is a friendly place for discourse about the recreation residence program.  Our forum is a place to ask questions, provide information, and exchange ideas in a spirit of friendship. We know there will be disagreements on certain topics, but we ask that you disagree respectfully so that this forum remains a place where camaraderie between cabin owners is first and foremost. Quick Start Sign in to the NFH Website Click on the Ask the Community link on the home page. Equivalently click on menu option Resources → Ask the Community or Get Involved → Ask the Community. View recent topics posts and replies or use the search for a topic of interest Click New Topic to create a new post. When positioned on an existing topic, click Quick Reply (or alternatively Full Editor) to join the conversation on that topic.   Frequently Asked Questions How do I sign-in to the NFH Website? Only NFH members may sign in on the NFH website. Use the menu pick in the upper right or the box on the left rail of the home page.   There is a Forgot Your Password button and a Need Help button at the bottom of the left rail for more assistance. How do I pose a topic? Click on above the grid of existing topics. On the Subject line be detailed enough for someone searching to anticipate the content. For example ‘Permit language regarding restricted access’ is much more informative than ‘Permit language’ How do I add a Reply? Below each post is a Quick Reply text box. Remember to click on thebutton. What is the difference between Quick Reply and Reply Using Full Editor? The Quick Reply only allows plain text. The Full Editor has a Subject text, Attach Video field, and full font and style attributes along with an Insert tab for tables and links. Below the text area, there is a drag-n-drop or upload area for attaching files and images. Warning: If you start with the Quick Reply and decide to switch to the Advanced Editor, text already entered is lost so do a copy of the Quick Reply text to then paste it in the Full Editor box. How do I return to the main Community Forum page? After viewing a Topic post or replies, click on ‘General Questions/Discussion’ in the Forum Index bar below the NFH website menu bar.   How can I “subscribe” to the NFH Community Forum? Members can “subscribe” to the entire Ask the Community Forum, or an individual Topic using the Forum Actions at the top of the Forum (or Topic).  There are two types of notice subscriptions. Subscribe to either or both.     1)      Instant Update:  Member receives an email every time a new Topic or Reply is made to the Forum (or Topic).   2)      Digest:  Member receives a weekly email which provides a list new Topics/Replies for that Forum entered since the last distribution of the Digest.   Is the information accurate? The NFH Community Forum is provided to members as a medium to share knowledge and experience. NFH staff and designated volunteer subject matter experts will review the forum and clarify and elaborate content for accuracy using an Editor’s Note. Who can access the NFH Community Forum? All visitors to the NFH website can see the General Questions/Discussion Community Forum page. Only members who have signed in to the site can post. If I post or reply how am I identified online? You are identified with your profile picture and your first initial and last name. There is no visibility to other profile information. You may choose not to set a profile picture and some members use a picture of their cabin. Why do Topics have different icons? Announcements  always sort to the top of the posts, are created by a moderator and locked so only moderators can reply. This Read Me Guide is an example of an Announcement. Sticky always sort immediately below any Announcements and above any regular topics. Regular Topics display below any Announcements and Sticky and can be sorted by most recent activity date. Scroll down to see all the posts or click on the next and previous page arrows. What should not be a Topic on the NFH Community Forum? If you have a personal matter regarding your membership or specifics about your cabin that you do not want to share with the cabin community then use the Help or Contact Us.
by M. Randall
Friday, May 3, 2019
Cleveland National Forest Management Plan link 3 T. Bier This is great - thanks for making it sticky! - Sharon Leach
by S. Leach
Monday, May 20, 2019
Permit Limitations on Cabin Square Footage 3 S. Karr 1200 sq ft on Crescent Lake, Deschutes Nat. Forest, Oregon.
by D. Gardiner
Thursday, May 23, 2019
Historic District - pros and cons 1 M. Randall I think it's wonderful that you are considering becoming an historic "district" under the National Register of Historic Places designation. A few point to keep in mind: Not all the cabins in the tract or vicinity need to be included. Some may opt out, and that is fine. There is always strength in numbers when dealing with the Forest Service or government agencies, such as the county. And yes such a designation would inhibit the FS from removing or reducing structures. I strongly urge you to contact your State Historical Preservation Office (SHPO) for advice on how to proceed and ask them to recommend a consultant with experience in Historic districts for you to work with..
by J. Van Dyk
Tuesday, May 21, 2019
Cabin Tract Self Inspections - Has FS asked anyone else to do this? 0 D. La Maggiore Tract Leaders from 3 tracts in our forest recently met with our permit administrator to go over tract-related business. Due to tightened resources in the local office, she asked if we'd be will to go through training to do the cabin tract inspections and then report back to them.  Looking for any examples where cabin owner volunteers are doing the tract inspections and self-reporting to the Forest Service.     Thanks so much, Desiree La Maggiore Salt Creek Summer Homesites Association, Shasta-Trinity  
by D. La Maggiore
Saturday, May 18, 2019
Sheds 1 T. Bier Cabin construction guidelines vary by USFS Region. In the Pacific NW Region (6) where my cabin is located, one storage/woodshed is allowed up to 130 sq ft. In Region 5, the size appears to be limited to 40 sq ft. with possibly a little wiggle room at the discretion of the authorized officer. The following are the Pacific SW Region (5) guidelines for a shed: "Outbuildings. Before authorizing outbuildings, the authorized officer shall consider the following guidelines: Separate structures such as storage sheds, generators, pump houses, and outhouses may be authorized if they cannot be logically incorporated into the main residence. Separate structures shall not exceed a combined total of 40 square feet. The authorized officer has discretion to make limited exceptions if there are no resource concerns, the improvements or structures cannot be logically incorporated into the main structure and the additional improvement, structure, or square footage is necessary to the function of the cabin. The authorized officer should document the rationale used to support the exception. All separate structures must be constructed of materials and colors to blend with the cabin and other outbuildings."
by D. Gann
Saturday, May 18, 2019
Security Gate - maintenance and access 4 C. Randall My cabin is in WY and there is a gate to prevent access during winter months. Becuase this road is used for cabins and public camp grounds, the FS is responsible for maintaining the road EXCEPT for the portion that is used solely for cabin access. This portion is apparently our responsibility but requires a permit from the FS prior to any road improvements.
by K. Shea
Friday, May 17, 2019
Why form a local tract association? 0 K. Shea We are not part of a local organization, but our tract has discussed it. Why do tracts organize? 
by K. Shea
Friday, May 17, 2019
Sibling Membership Options 1 K. Shea Thank you for contacting NFH. Regarding membership, you have several choices. First, NFH allows for multiple memberships per cabin, so your siblings could become Regular ($50) or Associate ($30) members through your member tract organization. We have introduced some new options for 2019, one of which is called a "Cabin" dues option which includes 1 Regular + up to 4 Associate Memberships for the discounted price of $100. This assumes your local association is willing to make all of the NFH options available to their members. Every organization has its own method for collecting fees & dues and while most offer all of the options available from NFH, some choose to limit their dues collection to a single Regular membership per cabin. I suggest you discuss with your Secretary/Treasurer. Individual Regular and Associate memberships are also available directly from NFH, but at a slightly higher cost.
by M. Knox
Friday, May 17, 2019
Shared Water Systems with Forest Service - Need Info 0 D. La Maggiore Is your tract sharing a water system with the Forest Service? I'm looking to speak with a representatives in tracts that share their water system with USFS.  I know there are instances where some tracts are on the same water system as the FS campground close by.  We've been contacted by a tract who is looking into a similar arrangement with the FS and would like a better understanding of how this works in other forests. Please call or email me if your tract has has a shared water system or gets their water from a Forest Service water system.     Cheers, Desiree La Maggiore NFH Field Director 408-391-9603 desiree.lamaggiore@nationalforesthomeowners.org
by D. La Maggiore
Tuesday, May 7, 2019
What do NFH Membership fees cover? 1 C. Randall NFH is a member-based/driven organization run by a volunteer board of directors (cabin owners), with 2 1/3 paid employees, and an outside Washington Representative (lobbyist) and Legal Counsel who advocate for the preservation of the cabin program on behalf of all cabin owners. Our primary funding is annual dues paid by cabin owners. We also receive donations from cabin owners. Our annual budget runs a little over $250,000 per year and our balance sheet is typically 75-100% of our annual budget. NFH provides information and education to our members, works with USFS staff from the regional offices to headquarters, and works to solve problems which threaten the cabin program.
by M. Knox
Sunday, May 5, 2019
Conference Session Materials 2 C. Randall We are related. Son and mother. The San Diego Conference materials will be posted on the website about a week after the conference.
by M. Randall
Sunday, May 5, 2019
Insurance quote? 2 D. Hansen This is a great service that the NFH offers. The insurance agency that covered our cabin under the previous owner, wouldn’t continue to cover it when we bought the place.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Retention of Cabin Fees by the Forest Service 2 S. Karr Yes! Miriam Mazel, of USFS, this morning said it will go to them and they already have rec groups circling. But she did say they will likely hire staff to help with the re-permitting process in 2028.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Multiple Cabin Ownership 3 K. Shea And just to be super precise if others are reading this thread, multiple people can own a cabin, but currently the permit can only be in the name of an individual, married couple, or single asset trust.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Transfer Fee: Death of Permit Holder 1 D. Hansen The transfer fee is a flat $1,200 indexed to inflation. The Forest Service charges a transfer fee when a new permit is requested due to a change of cabin ownership.  In the situation you describe, the ownership changed to the heir so the permit will need to be reissued in the new owner's name. This will trigger the transfer fee. Click here to go to Resources --> Permit Fees page for more information.
by D. Gann
Thursday, April 25, 2019
Cabins on Bureau of Reclamation land 1 D. Hansen NFH does not represent cabin owners from other federal or state public land programs, or any cabin program on private lands. We have no expertise with other public or private agencies, nor do we have the resources to become experts in any cabin program other than the Forest Service Recreation Residence program. That said, we are currently engaged with the Bureau of Reclamation in a couple of locations where the Bureau overlaps jurisdiction with the Forest Service for USFS recreation residence cabins. We understand there are state land cabin programs in the states of Idaho, Montana, and Pennsylvania. There may be cabin associations affiliated with these programs, however NFH has no interaction with them.
by D. Gann
Tuesday, April 23, 2019
Paying FS Permit Fees Online 1 D. Cowlishaw Yes. The Forest Service offers permit holders the ability to pay annual permit fees online by credit card without imposing any additional service fees. Click here to see the Permit Fees page (under Resources menu) for more information, including a link to the USFS payment site.
by D. Gann
Monday, April 22, 2019
USFS Transfer of Ownership Fee 1 D. Hansen I don't see a way around the $1,200 transfer fee if you are requesting a new permit be issued to you, due to a change of cabin ownership. An LLC cannot hold a permit per USFS regulations and a cabin trust is still considered a change of ownership. While placing your cabin in a Trust doesn’t avoid the transfer fee, a trust may be useful for other purposes. Click here to see the NFH Trusts and Multi-Ownership page for more information.
by J. Tripathi
Monday, April 22, 2019
Cabin insurance was cancelled. What now? 1 M. Randall Thank you for contacting NFH. Unfortunately, your experience is not unique. We are seeing an increasing trend of cabin insurance cancellations. For this reason, NFH formed an agreement with Assurance Risk Managers, Inc. (ARM), endorsing ARM's cabin insurance offerings. ARM will make every effort to offer insurance a NFH member cabin, regardless of location. Click here for the NFH Cabin Insurance page with more information including reports of insurers by state. We welcome calls to our Executive Director Sharon Leach at 800-669-9971.
by J. Tripathi
Monday, April 22, 2019