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Read Me Instructions and FAQ Locked Topic 0 M. Randall Forum Etiquette This NFH Community Forum (Ask the Community) is a friendly place for discourse about the recreation residence program.  Our forum is a place to ask questions, provide information, and exchange ideas in a spirit of friendship. We know there will be disagreements on certain topics, but we ask that you disagree respectfully so that this forum remains a place where camaraderie between cabin owners is first and foremost. Quick Start Sign in to the NFH Website Click on the Ask the Community link on the home page. Equivalently click on menu option Resources → Ask the Community or Get Involved → Ask the Community. View recent topics posts and replies or use the search for a topic of interest Click New Topic to create a new post. When positioned on an existing topic, click Quick Reply (or alternatively Full Editor) to join the conversation on that topic.   Frequently Asked Questions How do I sign-in to the NFH Website? Only NFH members may sign in on the NFH website. Use the menu pick in the upper right or the box on the left rail of the home page.   There is a Forgot Your Password button and a Need Help button at the bottom of the left rail for more assistance. How do I pose a topic? Click on above the grid of existing topics. On the Subject line be detailed enough for someone searching to anticipate the content. For example ‘Permit language regarding restricted access’ is much more informative than ‘Permit language’ How do I add a Reply? Below each post is a Quick Reply text box. Remember to click on thebutton. What is the difference between Quick Reply and Reply Using Full Editor? The Quick Reply only allows plain text. The Full Editor has a Subject text, Attach Video field, and full font and style attributes along with an Insert tab for tables and links. Below the text area, there is a drag-n-drop or upload area for attaching files and images. Warning: If you start with the Quick Reply and decide to switch to the Advanced Editor, text already entered is lost so do a copy of the Quick Reply text to then paste it in the Full Editor box. How do I return to the main Community Forum page? After viewing a Topic post or replies, click on ‘General Questions/Discussion’ in the Forum Index bar below the NFH website menu bar.   How can I “subscribe” to the NFH Community Forum? Members can “subscribe” to the entire Ask the Community Forum, or an individual Topic using the Forum Actions at the top of the Forum (or Topic).  There are two types of notice subscriptions. Subscribe to either or both.     1)      Instant Update:  Member receives an email every time a new Topic or Reply is made to the Forum (or Topic).   2)      Digest:  Member receives a weekly email which provides a list new Topics/Replies for that Forum entered since the last distribution of the Digest.   Is the information accurate? The NFH Community Forum is provided to members as a medium to share knowledge and experience. NFH staff and designated volunteer subject matter experts will review the forum and clarify and elaborate content for accuracy using an Editor’s Note. Who can access the NFH Community Forum? All visitors to the NFH website can see the General Questions/Discussion Community Forum page. Only members who have signed in to the site can post. If I post or reply how am I identified online? You are identified with your profile picture and your first initial and last name. There is no visibility to other profile information. You may choose not to set a profile picture and some members use a picture of their cabin. Why do Topics have different icons? Announcements  always sort to the top of the posts, are created by a moderator and locked so only moderators can reply. This Read Me Guide is an example of an Announcement. Sticky always sort immediately below any Announcements and above any regular topics. Regular Topics display below any Announcements and Sticky and can be sorted by most recent activity date. Scroll down to see all the posts or click on the next and previous page arrows. What should not be a Topic on the NFH Community Forum? If you have a personal matter regarding your membership or specifics about your cabin that you do not want to share with the cabin community then use the Help or Contact Us.
by M. Randall
Friday, May 3, 2019
Restricted from Cabin Use? - Temporary Fee Adjustment Letter 1 S. Leach Thanks so much for this. In California, we were explicitly prohibited from using our cabin due to COVID for many months. Then on September 7th we were again prohibited due to the closure of the National Forests which is now going on 30-days. We even had to apply for a special “permit” to travel to our cabin to close up for the winter. I will give it a shot and see what happens since thus far we were not allowed access to our cabin from March-June and then from September-October.
by R. McCoy
Wednesday, September 30, 2020
What are the COVID-19 Guidelines from the USFS? 1 S. Leach Recreation residence tracts are generally not considered developed recreation sites, however guidance may vary by Forest. The following description was included in a public notice recently issued by the USFS Pacific SW Region: “Developed recreation sites” refers to designated recreational use areas designed to facilitate public use. Information on individual recreation sites and opportunities are available from local National Forests. Note the emphasis on public use. Examples of developed recreation sites may include campgrounds, visitor centers, sno-parks, day use areas, USFS owned rental cabins, trail heads (although many trail systems remain open), and other recreation sites that tend to attract large numbers of public users.
by D. Gann
Friday, April 3, 2020
Safe to go to cabins? 8 D. La Maggiore Thanks, K.
by I. McClure
Friday, April 3, 2020
Oregon wildfire losses 1 R. Dwyer Rick,We had heard about the impact on your tract's water system and are definitely concerned about damage to tract water systems in a fire. We are not currently aware of any relief programs for water systems in this situation. At the same time, in the past, after a fire, we have found that the county is willing to work with the Forest Service and the cabin owners on things like clean up. But it takes going to the county to advocate. That's where I would suggest you research first, at the county level. They have regulatory oversight over water and would not want folks to drink bad water. Maybe they have no interest loans or perhaps they would know of other resources. I'm not an expert on FEMA but it seems as if they mostly fund residential loss situations. Where this is not a full-time residential community, we are all beginning to understand that most of these programs won't cover the cabin tracts. I would be interested to learn about insuring water and other shared systems, but unfortunately, I don't have a specific reference for you at this time for $ or technical assistance. We'll let you know if we learn more.Best Regards - Sharon Leach, NFH Executive Director
Tuesday, October 13, 2020
Sheds 2 T. Bier We are in Region 5 and they keep them to 40 soft unless you are grandfathered in.
by T. Bier
Saturday, October 10, 2020
Advice for Gravity Fed Water System? 3 K. Mathews If the old pipe beneath the county road is intact--meaning that you have one piece through the entire road base, you could consider pushing a smaller pipe through that one. Then you can have a more permanent water system structure. Be sure to install a drain valve at the lowest point and a shutoff valve at the spring so that the line is not damaged when the temperature goes below freezing.Depending upon demand needs and the elevation change, you may not need a tank, particularly if you are the only user in that line. In some cases with high pressure, you may need an expansion tank to mitigate knocks.  Best wishes,   Mark
by M. Larson
Wednesday, October 7, 2020
Adding wife to Special Use Permit 3 P. Hennes Thank you both for your thoughtful replies. Since my wife and I acquired our cabin after our marriage, I think that I can safely conclude that there would be no transfer fee for adding my wife's name to our permit.
by P. Hennes
Monday, September 21, 2020
2025 Fee Retention - Where Should Special Use Permit Fees be Invested? 8 D. La Maggiore Fire is our greatest threat. We need comprehensive EVACUATION plans. This would benefit cabin owners and casual users alike.
by C. Focha
Thursday, September 10, 2020
Cabin Insurance Program - Non-Renewal 7 R. Rush Yeah they finally called me (after the policy expired) with a quote for double what I was paying before.... even considerably more than I'm paying on my house. I was able to get insurance with better coverage through another carrier even cheaper than what I was paying last year through ARM. ARM seems like a huge ripoff and horrible customer service. I'd think with such a large organization such as NFH, a better insurance broker could be found.
by R. Rush
Wednesday, September 2, 2020
Cabin Swap? 2 B. Polk What a unique idea. As a former tract president, my wife and I have visited a couple of other cabin tracts in Oregon and are always amazed in the differences in locations and amenities. What I’d like to see is a database of tract locations. Most can’t be found on any map so a database with gps locations and Forest Service road designations would make the process of touring simpler.
by R. Dwyer
Tuesday, September 1, 2020
LAND EXCHANGE WITH USFS 2 L. Hisey Thank you for your reply and yes I understand the process takes time. I am actually the second generation that has worked on this. We have not been pursuing this for a decade we have been pursueing it for decadeS. Anyway, would you by any chance know the name or have some contact info for the consultant that worked with the people in Minnesota? You can even have someone that was involved with the Minnesota group contact me.Lee in advance
by L. Hisey
Sunday, August 30, 2020
Architect for Cabin in Inyo County 2 M. Baker Hi Mark,If you haven't already selected an architect we would recommend Mike Britton too. Last summer we completely rebuilt a Forest Service cabin and Mike Britton was our architect. He was great to work with. He lives/works out of Mammoth Lakes. mike@brittonarchitecture.comKristi
by J. Byer
Tuesday, August 18, 2020
politics of land use 3 C. Breed If you want to reach out to me directly, please email me at I'd be happy to set up a time to talk. Or call our office at 800-669-9971. I would be happy to learn more about this issue. Thanks - Sharon Leach.
by S. Leach
Monday, August 17, 2020
Property taxes 4 G. Gardner Cabins in Oregon are exempt from possessory Interest tax per OAR 150-307-0230.
by R. Dwyer
Tuesday, August 11, 2020
Disagreement with FS Ranger on Road Repairs and need help 3 J. Conroy You might want to check with the county and the Forest Service. Apache County has a map of their road system online. Additionally, it looks like they recently set policy for N Roads ( Does your association hold a FS special use permit for the road? If yes, and the land use has changed since the permit was issued, it seems you should be able to go back to them with a case for why your association shouldn't be solely responsible for its maintenance - I'd start with checking the permit language. If your cabin group wasn't issued a special use permit for the road, and land use has changed, you might try getting in contact with the FS roads management team. It looks like they recently completed a motorized travel plan last fall. They may be able to provide guidance as far as options.
by D. La Maggiore
Wednesday, July 29, 2020
non-renewal of permits 7 R. Dwyer Thanks Doug.
by D. Merrick
Wednesday, July 29, 2020
Keeping the peace while scheduling and calendaring cabin times 4 S. Browning Jay - Your cabin looks terrific! Thanks for sharing the website with us! Kaye Mathews - Hefferman Gulch Tract - CO
by K. Mathews
Friday, July 10, 2020
Cerro Grande Fire 1 C. Conner-Coash NFH is not aware of any USFS cabins lost in the Cerro Grande Fire in May 2000.  We've made an effort to record loss of cabins over the years with reasons for the loss. Our records do not reflect any cabins lost to fire in NM in 2000, but our record keeping isn't perfect and that event was 20 years ago. From the limited research I did on the fire, you are correct the fire started as a controlled burn in the Bandelier National Monument and got out of control. The controlled burn was a US Park Service project (not USFS). After the fire got out of control, the Forest Service was called in to assist with fighting the fire.  The post-fire investigation included a number of criticisms regarding the management of the fire including timing (spring rather than fall), inadequate Park Service manpower, and delay of Forest Service response due to lack of inter-agency coordination. A number of private structures were destroyed by fire, but most were homes on private land on the outskirts of Los Alamos, NM. FEMA was called in to provide temporary housing for those with homes lost to the fire and it appears the US Federal government did reimburse homeowners and/or insurance companies to replace homes lost to the fire (through Congressional action). As you point out, our special use permits contain a risk of loss clause that specifies the permit holder assumes all risk of loss of their cabin, regardless of the circumstances. We are aware of another incident where a group of permit holders (not cabin permits) litigated over the loss of private structures from a forest fire, allegedly caused by a BLM employee. The courts ruled in favor of the Federal government citing the risk of loss clause in the special use permit. The court did not rule on whether the fire was the fault of the agency. The court opinion simply stated the risk of loss clause protected the US Federal government from any loss liability and that this protection spanned all agencies of the Federal government, not just the agency that issued the permit.
by D. Gann
Monday, June 8, 2020
Roof Replacement 6 E. McGrew Hi Elise, I had a chance to swing by your tract while at the Bend conference - sweet location and I probably have a picture of you cabin! Send me and email with your contact information and I will see if we can get you connected with some of the other tracts in the Willamette NF -
by D. La Maggiore
Friday, May 22, 2020