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How to get a Sign identifying our Tract 3 L. Eckman By all means, we encourage sharing information from this website with other cabin owners.
by D. Gann
Saturday, August 10, 2019
Security Gate - maintenance and access 6 C. Randall My cabin is in Oregon. We also have security gates and have been told that the roads are our responsibility for the same reason noted above. We have not had major issues with the roads but keep a gravel pile within the tract and ask cabin owners to fill pot holes as they occur. Our winters are relatively mild, with snow blocking access to all but high-clearance, 4-wheel drive vehicles, only a few times since I've owned my cabin. I find it hard enough to get the Forest Service to maintain the main access road (fill pot holes/paint lines), which serves our cabin tract, three Forest Service campgrounds, and another special-uses facility, never mind the roads within the tract.
by R. Dwyer
Tuesday, July 16, 2019
Shared Water Systems with Forest Service - Need Info 1 D. La Maggiore On the Cleveland NF we have asked the FS if we could connect the small 7-cabin Shrine Tract to the USFS water system in the adjacent Laguna Campground . Despite given an example of a shared water system in the Inyo NF, the proposal was rejected by the District Ranger because the Laguna water system was designed for sharing and the administrative burden to administer the water service.To the DR's credit, he is entertaining an alternative proposal to allow the MLIA cabin tract water system organization to share a new waterline trench in the upcoming campground renovation project and allow the MLIA to run a pipeline from the nearby Laguna Tract to the Shrine Tract.
by F. Kalinoski
Tuesday, July 16, 2019
non-renewal of permits 2 R. Dwyer Thanks Sharon. I’ll pass this on.
by R. Dwyer
Monday, July 15, 2019
Cabin Tract Self Inspections - Has FS asked anyone else to do this? 3 D. La Maggiore Apart from Roy's great example and the questionnaire mentioned by Doug, I don't currently know of other tracts or cabin groups that perform self-inspections. But the topic has been raised at NFH. Particularly with regard to historic cabins. Where the USFS has not been able to complete historic assessments in some forests, local tract associations have banded as a community and hired an approved outside historic consultant. That's a step toward self-management. When Mike Kaczor, former lead in the Heritage Department of the USFS Washington Office, was on our NFH Board, we talked about whether some historic districts might be able to self-manage through the local tract association. While having this authority/responsibility might put pressure on your association and thus suggest a bit more in the way of incorporation and insurance coverage, there are advantages to developing this kind of public-private partnership in the right circumstances. If and when we speak with further leaders of cabin associations who have been given this opportunity, we'll ask them more about their self-management experiences. Glad to hear it was enjoyable and informative for Roy's tract.  - Sharon Leach, NFH Executive Director
by S. Leach
Thursday, July 11, 2019
Permit Limitations on Cabin Square Footage 4 S. Karr The square footage limits and how they are to be measured is set in the Special Uses Handbook Supplement for those regions that have adopted Supplements -- presently that includes Regions 4, 5 and 6, which are the Intermountain, Pacific Southwest and Pacific Northwest Regions, respectively. These Supplements provide important detail regarding the building, maintenance and use of Recreation Residence Cabins. The R5 Supplement [Supplement No. 2709.11-2016-2] establishes a maximum floor space of 1,400 square foot, which includes ""...both floors of a two story residence (excluding loft which is defined as an unpartitioned open space under a roof) and, where they already exist, authorized guest cabins and garages with living space."  The R6 Supplement [2709.11-2012-1] establishes a maximum size for the dwelling of 1,200 square feet measured on the outside of the foundation, plus a loft. The loft size shall not be included in the total square footage and should be two-thirds or less of the ground floor square footage. As has been noted by other respondents, Forests can set smaller square footage limits, but not larger than their regional regulations.
by R. Glauthier
Monday, July 1, 2019
Historic District - pros and cons 1 M. Randall I think it's wonderful that you are considering becoming an historic "district" under the National Register of Historic Places designation. A few point to keep in mind: Not all the cabins in the tract or vicinity need to be included. Some may opt out, and that is fine. There is always strength in numbers when dealing with the Forest Service or government agencies, such as the county. And yes such a designation would inhibit the FS from removing or reducing structures. I strongly urge you to contact your State Historical Preservation Office (SHPO) for advice on how to proceed and ask them to recommend a consultant with experience in Historic districts for you to work with..
by J. Van Dyk
Tuesday, May 21, 2019
Cleveland National Forest Management Plan link 3 T. Bier This is great - thanks for making it sticky! - Sharon Leach
by S. Leach
Monday, May 20, 2019
Sheds 1 T. Bier Cabin construction guidelines vary by USFS Region. In the Pacific NW Region (6) where my cabin is located, one storage/woodshed is allowed up to 130 sq ft. In Region 5, the size appears to be limited to 40 sq ft. with possibly a little wiggle room at the discretion of the authorized officer. The following are the Pacific SW Region (5) guidelines for a shed: "Outbuildings. Before authorizing outbuildings, the authorized officer shall consider the following guidelines: Separate structures such as storage sheds, generators, pump houses, and outhouses may be authorized if they cannot be logically incorporated into the main residence. Separate structures shall not exceed a combined total of 40 square feet. The authorized officer has discretion to make limited exceptions if there are no resource concerns, the improvements or structures cannot be logically incorporated into the main structure and the additional improvement, structure, or square footage is necessary to the function of the cabin. The authorized officer should document the rationale used to support the exception. All separate structures must be constructed of materials and colors to blend with the cabin and other outbuildings."
by D. Gann
Saturday, May 18, 2019
Sibling Membership Options 1 K. Shea Thank you for contacting NFH. Regarding membership, you have several choices. First, NFH allows for multiple memberships per cabin, so your siblings could become Regular ($50) or Associate ($30) members through your member tract organization. We have introduced some new options for 2019, one of which is called a "Cabin" dues option which includes 1 Regular + up to 4 Associate Memberships for the discounted price of $100. This assumes your local association is willing to make all of the NFH options available to their members. Every organization has its own method for collecting fees & dues and while most offer all of the options available from NFH, some choose to limit their dues collection to a single Regular membership per cabin. I suggest you discuss with your Secretary/Treasurer. Individual Regular and Associate memberships are also available directly from NFH, but at a slightly higher cost.
by M. Knox
Friday, May 17, 2019
What do NFH Membership fees cover? 1 C. Randall NFH is a member-based/driven organization run by a volunteer board of directors (cabin owners), with 2 1/3 paid employees, and an outside Washington Representative (lobbyist) and Legal Counsel who advocate for the preservation of the cabin program on behalf of all cabin owners. Our primary funding is annual dues paid by cabin owners. We also receive donations from cabin owners. Our annual budget runs a little over $250,000 per year and our balance sheet is typically 75-100% of our annual budget. NFH provides information and education to our members, works with USFS staff from the regional offices to headquarters, and works to solve problems which threaten the cabin program.
by M. Knox
Sunday, May 5, 2019
Conference Session Materials 2 C. Randall We are related. Son and mother. The San Diego Conference materials will be posted on the website about a week after the conference.
by M. Randall
Sunday, May 5, 2019
Insurance quote? 2 D. Hansen This is a great service that the NFH offers. The insurance agency that covered our cabin under the previous owner, wouldn’t continue to cover it when we bought the place.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Retention of Cabin Fees by the Forest Service 2 S. Karr Yes! Miriam Mazel, of USFS, this morning said it will go to them and they already have rec groups circling. But she did say they will likely hire staff to help with the re-permitting process in 2028.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Multiple Cabin Ownership 3 K. Shea And just to be super precise if others are reading this thread, multiple people can own a cabin, but currently the permit can only be in the name of an individual, married couple, or single asset trust.
by T. Bier
Saturday, May 4, 2019
Transfer Fee: Death of Permit Holder 1 D. Hansen The transfer fee is a flat $1,200 indexed to inflation. The Forest Service charges a transfer fee when a new permit is requested due to a change of cabin ownership.  In the situation you describe, the ownership changed to the heir so the permit will need to be reissued in the new owner's name. This will trigger the transfer fee. Click here to go to Resources --> Permit Fees page for more information.
by D. Gann
Thursday, April 25, 2019
Cabins on Bureau of Reclamation land 1 D. Hansen NFH does not represent cabin owners from other federal or state public land programs, or any cabin program on private lands. We have no expertise with other public or private agencies, nor do we have the resources to become experts in any cabin program other than the Forest Service Recreation Residence program. That said, we are currently engaged with the Bureau of Reclamation in a couple of locations where the Bureau overlaps jurisdiction with the Forest Service for USFS recreation residence cabins. We understand there are state land cabin programs in the states of Idaho, Montana, and Pennsylvania. There may be cabin associations affiliated with these programs, however NFH has no interaction with them.
by D. Gann
Tuesday, April 23, 2019
Paying FS Permit Fees Online 1 D. Cowlishaw Yes. The Forest Service offers permit holders the ability to pay annual permit fees online by credit card without imposing any additional service fees. Click here to see the Permit Fees page (under Resources menu) for more information, including a link to the USFS payment site.
by D. Gann
Monday, April 22, 2019
USFS Transfer of Ownership Fee 1 D. Hansen I don't see a way around the $1,200 transfer fee if you are requesting a new permit be issued to you, due to a change of cabin ownership. An LLC cannot hold a permit per USFS regulations and a cabin trust is still considered a change of ownership. While placing your cabin in a Trust doesn’t avoid the transfer fee, a trust may be useful for other purposes. Click here to see the NFH Trusts and Multi-Ownership page for more information.
by J. Tripathi
Monday, April 22, 2019
Cabin insurance was cancelled. What now? 1 M. Randall Thank you for contacting NFH. Unfortunately, your experience is not unique. We are seeing an increasing trend of cabin insurance cancellations. For this reason, NFH formed an agreement with Assurance Risk Managers, Inc. (ARM), endorsing ARM's cabin insurance offerings. ARM will make every effort to offer insurance a NFH member cabin, regardless of location. Click here for the NFH Cabin Insurance page with more information including reports of insurers by state. We welcome calls to our Executive Director Sharon Leach at 800-669-9971.
by J. Tripathi
Monday, April 22, 2019